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My reply to kaoslord's "first impression" post....

explanation:
1 go to the upload page, "How many pictures would you like to upload?"
--Pick from a drop down of 1 - 10
2 the proper page comes up with the ammount of "browse" needed, and it has a field for title, and a text area for description as well as a combo box to add to gallery, the combo box lets you add to more than one gallery. as well as creating a new one.
--this all was super easy in PHP but I don't know how easy it will be with perl.
3 The final page.. tells you update successfull or not. and shows you thumbs of the pics uploaded and the info posted as well as a list of the galleries posted to

**I dont know how well perl works with CGI and variables from forms, but again, this woulda been piece of cake in php, so thats why i suggested it, i figured it shouldnt be too hard in perl


The web upload page was a quick addition and hasn't been given any UI friendliness yet. As much as I hate the idea of people actually using the web upload page, I realize it'll probably be the most popular method, as cumbersome as it is, so I'll be working on everything you mentioned.

Please, I never want to hear "in PHP, blah blah blah". A competent programmer can do anything in any language. Any shortcoming of FotoBilder's design is the result of lack of effort/time, not its implementation language.

CLIENT:

i miss the image preview on the fotki image upload activeX, perhaps this could be on the client? I dont think it should be too hard to add.

The client just did not work for me.. so i didn't test it.
--explanation: i tried uploading pics, it uploaded them, but they never showed in my galleries, also i couldnt get my list of galleries to load into the client.


evan can help, perhaps. Did you use username@pics.livejournal.com ?


COLOR PICKER:
it would be nice to on the side of it maybe be able to pick from the 256 standardweb-palette colors.. so many colors are frankly confussing, if i want to have multiple themes and keep the colors the same its going to be hard to pick the same color again from the picker.. if not impossible, I would like the ability to pick from the standard 256 color palette, and maybe an extra 32 colors or something from a "saved custom colors" palette.


That could be cool. mart wrote it, though, so I'll let him add that. I don't know that code.


CROPPING
--multiple crop states
----explanation: a picture can have multiple crop states. like a 4:3 a panoramic, a 1:1
--automatic cropping to a certain aspect ratio
----explanation: basically a resizeable, moveable box that allways kept its aspect ratio
--by default right now on the latest ie, the crop box by default has selection parts outside the picture bounds.
--What the hell does cropping do? it apparently had no effect on anything when i tested it.
--what is the focus point ?


You don't need multiple crop states since you got the focus point.

You select the interesting region of the image, then put the focus point the point within that which is valid for all thumbnail sizes.

Then, when a style wants a certain aspect ratio, it uses both the crop region you specified, the aspect ratio it wants, and finds a region within your crop region to center the cropping on.

Cropping only matters when you choose "Cropped" thumbnails for a gallery.

And the focus region only matters when you choose "Crop, but fit exactly" as the style.

GALLERIES:
The url's are ugly.


Those are the canonical URLs. You'll be able to give any entity (gallery, picture, profile page, etc...) its own URL. That part isn't done yet.

I think styles should have some, pre-generated color scheme's to pick from

That was an integral part of the S2 Design (S2 being the style language) but we just haven't made any yet. See the "Theme" drop-down for the Super Simple layout? There's White on Black and Black on White... so it does work. We just need to finish making pretty styles. jproulx and others are working on it.

Password protected galleries that any user with the password can see, no need for registration

That'd be cool! I'll add that.

I liked on fotki how i could have a tree of albums displayed with every page

That's a style issue.... FotoBilder gives that information to styles. We just need styles to utilize it. As mentioned earlier, we just started making styles.

I would like to see the ability comment on pictures

That's coming.


MANUAL:
would it be easier to build this in a wiki format? not really open to everyone, but to like only documentation volunteers and dev members etc? the wikipedia script is small, easy to install uses mysql and has the history revissions to protect from vandalism.


I like DocBook. :)

FOTKI COMPARISONS
PRO:
--I REALLY like the stand-alone client.
--I REALLY like the ability to add galleries from the client (even if its broken)
--I REALLY like being able to see a bunch of pictures and edit all thei info at once through the text & security menu
--I LOVE being able to customize my galleries. like big time love.


Good to hear. And all that is only going to get better.

CONS:
--no image preview on client [Minor]


Client issue. Hopefully as the system gets more popular, more clients will come out.

--fotki url-s are read-friendly. which made them easier to give out to friends. etc
proposed alias picpix.com/user/galleryname/[child?.../]pic#/ [Minor]


URL control is coming.

--NO EXIF data reading

That too is coming.

--No traffic statistics [Minor]

PicPix.com will have that. FotoBilder core will only have the hooks.

--no password protected albums [BIG ONE]

I hadn't thought of that, but I like the idea, so expect to see it.

--no option to see tree on pages. [minor]

The styles will improve.

--no comments [BIG ONE]

Coming.
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From:stinkybum
Date:October 9th, 2002 05:36 pm (UTC)
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Password protected galleries that any user with the password can see, no need for registration

That'd be cool! I'll add that.



ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Great idea!!
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From:flying_blind
Date:October 10th, 2002 03:56 am (UTC)
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They actually have that at PhotoIsland (along with one of the ugliest URLs anywhere.) I don't have an account there myself, but a friend had one, and gave me his password so I could see his private stash of pictures. It's a nice feature to have.
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From:stinkybum
Date:October 10th, 2002 04:32 am (UTC)

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but i am not at photoisland, I am here! thats like dumping my boysfriend because a new guy comes along with better looking eyes or something lol

Can't wait till that is implemented :)
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From:flying_blind
Date:October 10th, 2002 05:15 am (UTC)
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Of course, I intended PhotoIsland only as an example of a site which has that feature. I'm waiting for PicPix, too.

Anyway, who could have better looking eyes than Brad? ;-)
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From:stinkybum
Date:October 10th, 2002 07:06 am (UTC)

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you most definately have a point there :)
From:kaoslord
Date:October 10th, 2002 06:36 am (UTC)
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i got the idea from fotki.. they have it too
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From:jproulx
Date:October 9th, 2002 06:00 pm (UTC)

Re: MANUAL

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Yeah, Wikis are cool, but I know DocBook. Adding a Wiki wouldn't really solve anything either - content for the manual won't magically appear :-)

At this point, if someone wants to add/alter something to/in the manual, they're more than welcome to. If they don't know DocBook, that's not a problem - I know the how to tame that beast ;-)

Besides, doesn't LiveJournal have the same basic functionality as Wiki does?
From:kaoslord
Date:October 9th, 2002 06:33 pm (UTC)

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Yeah, Wikis are cool, but I know DocBook. Adding a Wiki wouldn't really solve anything either - content for the manual won't magically appear :-)

i just thought maybe it would be easier/quicker to edit, think CVS, anyone can go change, messaround, there's a complete history of diff's.. and once appropriate quality is achieved you take the content and copy it to whatever doc system you want. as i said.. i just think wiki format is inviting, it makes it _really_ easy to edit things.. however, everyone likes their own things and since im not very familiar with docbook, i cant really compare them. as i see it, that was just a kind of insignificant suggestion.. just a random thought, i have no particular leaning towards a certain type of docs, it really should be the choice of whoever writes most of them, since they are the ones that should be comfotable and efficient with the interface they have to use.
From:kaoslord
Date:October 9th, 2002 06:40 pm (UTC)
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The reason I added the cropping thing is because i thought it affected how pictures looked in the galleries. See, i was thinking at one point you would add hooks to a photo print service. (I guess i was thinking more about picpix than fotobilder.. oops) in which case most prints are usually 2:3 aspect ratio while most digicams take 4:3 images. you can let the service place crop them for you, but a lot of times, i have wanted to do it myself so i get the picture _I_ want not what the auto crop does. its just a pain to take 100 pics and dump em into image ready to crop and resave them so i can get the prints i want. I got this idea from Ofoto.. however the ofoto software replaces your pics.. which i didn't like at all.. and I really liked the way fotobilder handled cropping
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